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night he exposed extreme risk that romney ryan economics would pose for the middle class. he pressed congressman ryan to reassure the middle class their taxes wouldn't go up if they passed that $5 trillion tax cut for wealthiest americans. and he couldn't do it. congressman ryan when pressed about his defense spending proposal flat-out lied about it. the fact they proposed a $2 trillion increase in defense spending beyond the level the pentagon asked for which would explode the deficit. and he wouldn't commit to the 2014 timetable to bring our troops home from afghanistan. and so i think time and time again the vice president laid out the choice for the middle class in this election and was very effective in doing so. jon: time and time again the vice president interrupted, interjected, laughed, guf fawed, that kind of thing. was that appropriate first of all? was it intentional? >> well, republicans like to praise happy warriors. that is what we saw from the vice president last night. he caught out the brazen attempt by the romney-ryan campaign to try to rewrite their kick the -- ti
know him, senior advisor to the romney campaign. ryan, serious, sober, steady. biden, smirking, mocking, immature. did joe biden act appropriately last night? >> i don't know what debate eric was watching last night. for everyone else in america, they saw a different vision of both candidates. you saw from the vice president a passionate advocate, a man who had command of the facts and command of the plans the president and him have for the future of the country. you saw somebody light on substance and wouldn't answer questions. there was a lot of mullarkey being thrown around. that is joe biden every day out on the stump. >> one of the most searched terms over the last 12 hours is mullarkey. let me read something from "the new york times." if mr. biden was sometimes openly emotional, a hot onscreen presence, mr. ryan, 27 years his junior was cooler, often coming off confident and fluent in the policy underlying his arguments." if the most important thing is people watching at home say i could see him one heart beat away from the presidency, did paul ryan accomplish that? >> i don't thi
at this pair. mitt romney says he's pro life but doesn't intend to do anything that's pro life. ryan says he's pro-life and ments it. he and his cohorts would proceed to ban it in every sate they could closing abortion rights down in to as few states as possible. in this way they would make banning of i have a bortion a matter of geography. the more states they could get to pass a ban, the further a woman would have to travel to have one. presumably abortion would be safe and legal in cowsal states like new york and california, live in the middle however and you'd have to leave not just your town and state but maybe the entire region to get to a state where your decision would be respect. this is ryan's plan for american women. but he doesn't stop there. he's also a co-sponsor of the personhood bill that would declare a fertilized human egg a person with all the 14th amendment riments of life, liberty, and property as well. it would not just outlaw abortion, it would make it murder. joining me to absorb those facts are alex wagner and ron reagan, author and radio talk show host from seattle.
the people tuning in right now. they're seeing a very different race and different paul ryan and romney than we have been watching for the entire past few months. if you just tuned in now, i think you might think mitt romney was a centrist which he has not been for the past year or so. if you are just tuning in, you might think paul ryan had pretty blue eyes and a set of solutions to aur. i don't know how biden is going to handle this. he's such a straight shooter, but maybe a straight shooter from the hip if i can mix metaphors. i'm not sure if he'll get frustrated, if he'll get angry, if he will just laugh it off, if he will come off as condescending. it will be interesting to see. >> right. clarence, "the washington post" spoke to republican voters in ohio, one of whom said of paul ryan's chances against joe biden, and i'm quoting the person, i think ryan is going to eat him alive. another said, he's dynamic, he knows his facts. do you think this is going to be a washout and that mr. ryan is literally going to trounce biden? >> i was pretty amused by that story, martin, because we were at
? was there a time you didn't have a lot of money? is that because you have bad character? if i were the romney/ryan campaign i would probably try to trash that reporter too. but that wasn't all that happened here. >> if you take a look at the gun laws we have, i don't think president obama is proposing more gun laws. we have strong gun laws. >> that's news too. it's especially news in light of the fact that it the nra is currently running these ads in a bunch of swing states. it's a huge ad buy too. they say chipping away at your right, chipping away at your freedom. now they are attacking our second amendment rights. you can stop them right now. defend freedom. defeat obama. that's what the ads say. but then there's paul ryan, the republican vice presidential nominee saying president obama is not proposing any attack on gun rights. he's not proposing anymore gun laws. that's true. the only gun-related changes in law we have had from president obama have been expansions of gun rights. but the republicans are not supposed to admit that. not when the nra is running this scary ad campaign saying other
ryan's second trip to the state of michigan as the vice presidential nominee. even though mitt romney, the guy at the top of the republican ticket has not visited michigan since august and the republican party has yet to run a single ad in michigan, at this rally paul ryan was very enthusiastic and very optimistic about his republican side's chances. >> it's getting closer in michigan. you can help push us over the top. you can deliver this. we can do it here. >> if that was the high point of paul ryan's day in michigan, the low point definitely came earlier that same day in an interview with an award-winning local report from flint, michigan. terry camp, and mr. camp introduced his interview like this. >> i wanted to ask him about the gun violence in our cities. let's listen. this did not end well. >> gun violence and gun policy have not been big issues in the presidential campaign thus far and that probably makes sense. the president's record is signing a bill that allowed people to carry guns in national parks and another allowing people to carry guns on amtrak. which might come in
girl tir tied to walk in high school hallways after having problems over a romney-ryan t-shirt. >> gregg: 30 days out from election day, the governor is wrapping up a rally with supporters north of palm beach in what many say has now become a post debate victory tour. john roberts joins us from port st. lucy, florida. what is going on there? >> good afternoon. just wrapped up one of the biggest crowds so far. about 12,000 people here at this town square. where president obama won by 12 points back in 2008. he is feeling pretty good about things in florida. a new rasmussen poll has the governor two points ahead. here at this event he was looking to the next presidential debate a week from tuesday. he says he has questions on the president from taxes to debt and spending. >> he wants another stimulus? how did the first one work out? he wants to hire more government workers? he wants to pick with winners and losers solyndra, losers in his case. we know where that leads. we have seen the last four years. we don't want four more years like the last four years. >> reporter: the
to hear a lot of debate about the paul ryan budget, a budget that governor romney has called a marvelous budget, but a budget that does terrible things for the working middle class, and so i think that is going to make this aness spellings le an especially interesting debate. bill: paul ryan will have a chance to answer that. he's the leader of the house. do you suggest that mitt romney was lying in that first debate? >> you can use whatever words -- bill: i'm asking you if you would use it. >> he said things that weren't accurate and in my judgment were dishonest. for example the preexisting condition statement that he made to 70 million people was blatantly false. and it was his plan, i think he probably knew that when he made that false statement. bill: you would agree it's the duty of the president to rebut that. >> no. bill: and to do it based on the healthcare law that he pushed through. now you are president obama's number one surrogate in ohio and that's been the case ever since he wro*pb the whit won the white house four years ago. how concerned but in winning the white house. >
performance versus governor romney and ryan were for posterity. opportunities, a revitalization of the free market situation. it's a very clear contrast. bill: i asked governor strickland how much debate number one set back their momentum. he kicked it to the side and i expected him to with regard to that. what do you think that first debate did in order to shape and define the race that leads us to tonight in danville. >> i think that that debate certainly energized the campaign and gave governor romney a great deal of momentum. i don't think there is any doubt about it. i think people saw that governor romney was very much in command of the facts, more so than the president was. he made a very compelling argument for how he can get the economy moving again e. tkeufd it in a way that was very respectful for the office of the presidency without being inch dim natured by the man who holds the office e. dead it in way that a lot of americans had respect for. i think it was a terrific performance. the important thing was the underlying substance. governor romney has a view of posterity. bill:
in lancaster. romney talked about how proud he was of the vice presidential choice and ryan's performance at the debate earlier this week. >> we got to watch this guy debate, and there was one person on the stage with thoughtfulness, who was respectful, who was steady and poised. there's one person on that stage you'd want to be with the there were a crisis and it's this man right here. >> romney and ryan are both in ohio today. this is the live picture from youngstown. paul ryan will be speaking there in just a few minutes from now. ohio is one of the key swing states for both romney and obama. both have spent a whole lot of time there talking to voters. so how are the voters receiving all that attention? cnn political editor paul steinhauser joining us now to talk about that. good morning to you what. is the story in ohio? >> reporter: ohio -- it sounds like a broken record. but these candidates keep going back to ohio. the second straight day for mitt romney. the president was just there earlier this week. here's my unofficial count here. since the start of the general election, which
. >> romney and ryan are both in ohio today. this is the live picture from youngstown. paul ryan will be speaking there in just a few minutes from now. ohio is one of the key swing states for both romney and obama. both have spent a whole lot of time there talking to voters. so how are the voters receiving all that attention? cnn political editor paul steinhauser joining us now to talk about that. good morning to you what. is the story in ohio? >> reporter: ohio -- it sounds like a broken record. but these candidates keep going back to ohio. the second straight day for mitt romney. the president was just there earlier this week. here's my unofficial count here. since the start of the general election, which was usually considered early april, the president has now made 12 swings through ohio. this is the 16th swing for mitt romney. over $91 million spent by the campaigns. the party committees, the super pacs in ohio. 18 electoral votes at stake in such an important state. this is the state that put president george w. bush over the top in 2004. mitt romney really needs to win it
concerned about, and don't forget, paul ryan was the first test of mitt romney. mitt romney chose him to be his running mate. and so it was very important to mitt romney himself that paul ryan be a credible contender sitting next to joe biden, who is a very experienced politician, and also has been vice president. >> gloria, you've been doing this a while. was that the most incredible vice presidential debate you've seen? >> it was. i must say the anticipation was more for sarah palin for me because we were sort of interested to see, again, joe biden, how he would deal with sarah palin, and whether she could actually stand toe to toe with him. the bar was very low for sarah palin and she surpassed what people expected. this was so interesting, of course, because joe biden essentially had to save the democratic party or so it seemed. and the president had to watch him very closely and probably pretty beholden today, but you have the town hall coming up that candy is going to moderate. >> let me tell everyone about it. gloria borger, thank you. coming out of here this vp debate and head
members of the romney/ryan team make that suggestion. they think the media is ready to write the obama comeback story. it's romney's proposition to try to stand in the way of that. by being just as aggressive on tuesday as he was in the last debate. >> how much concern are you hearing from both camps about the fine line they have to walk in terms of attacking while in this pretty delicate town hall style format where regular voters don't like that kind of vitriol? >> it's a good question because, the bottom line is, when you attack people, if i were to attack you right now, your negative ratings would go up. people watching the show would think less of you based on what i said. mine would, too, because people would think less of me for attacking. that's the delicate dance the candidates have to do. i think the town hall makes that a challenge for both romney and obama there. >> jake tapper, our senior white house correspondent, soon to be chief white house correspondent, who knees where he'll go from there? jake, thank you very much. he has a big show today. his guests include ohio sen
to romney. the second round, biden got obama back in the fight, even if the overall debate with ryan was a draw.;v now with round three just days away, this morning, the candidates are in their corners. mitt romney in boston. the president in williamsburg, virginia. not for golf, but for debate practice. that's because after the first debate, the president watched the poll numbers tighten after the first debate. with romney moving ahead in virginia in one poll. >> how are you? >> reporter: team obama tells us the president will go after romney on his tax cut plans and his ideas for winding down the war in afghanistan. in tuesday's debate, audience members will ask the questions in the town hall format. >> he's got to be able to go on offense without being offensive to the audience. he's got to go on offense and defend his vision, his path to where he'd take the country in a second serm term. how about aa debate. and i did enjoy myself. >> reporter: as for romney, who is energized by the momentum and bigger crowds he's seen since the debate. our debate coach says, keep it up. >> i ca
. now all this started at a romney/ryan campaign rally when morrison asked the vice-presidential candidate a question. >> okay, she's got a green bay packers shirt. i have to pick on her. i apologize. >> hi. my question is, you know, keep talking about china and jobs and then we talk about the unemployment, but where are the answers in i mean, why aren't you more specific? i heard you -- was it sunday when you were on fox, and you didn't answer his question about how we're going to -- you know, what are your plans. >> oh, yeah. no, look, when you >> oh, yeah, when you get into a math conversation, it can take a little while. let me give you some specific answers right now. >> soon after that, an obama campaign spokesperson emailed reporters, writing this... campt being called out for failing to provide specifics about what mitt romney would do if elected. linda morrison joins us. nice to talk to you, linda. >> nice to talk to you, greta. thanks for having me on. >> greta: i'm curious, did you get a specific answer from congressman paul ryan? >> i did. all you have to
showdown only days away. new poll numbers show governor romney with a post-debate bump. paul ryan getting ready for the faceoff against joe biden in the next big debate. i'm bill hemmer here. martha has the day off. >> i'm patti ann browne in for mart maing that -- martha maccallum. a veteran political strategist says joe biden will be going for the throat. >> they will be pouring cola down his throat. they will react. because they will have a couple days of bad polling. ryan has very impressive but hasn't done this before. biden who is high-wire act in attack mode which is not always his normal place. bill: joe cola. fox news contributor, good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: you believe this is huge opportunity for romney-ryan, why? >> it is. romney set the stage for the dominant victory over the president in the first presidential debate. that changed the story of the whole campaign. if you have ryan defeating the vice president joe biden it would really create a story of obama-biden on the ropes. and, romney-ryan on the move. bill: the way mike murphy explains it, republic
believe this is huge opportunity for romney-ryan, why? >> it is. romney set the stage for the dominant victory over the president in the first presidential debate. that changed the story of the whole campaign. if you have ryan defeating the vice president joe biden it would really create a story of obama-biden on the ropes. and, romney-ryan on the move. bill: the way mike murphy explains it, republican strategist on "meet the press" sunday morning, democrats could be desperate. do you agree with that? >> they're certainly very worried. the degree of concern they had over the president's performance in denver is much deeper than we even thought. they're very, very worried about that. they're looking for joe biden to come out and deliver a lot of zingers and attack lines that barack obama didn't. this is the second chance in the presidential debate. there is not another actual presidential debate until october 16th. bill: listen how paul ryan explains how he sees vice president joe biden. >> he is fast on the cuff. he is a witty guy. he knows who he is and been doing this for 40 years. s
at the bit. did paul ryan keep the romney momentum going following the first presidential debate? >> for sure. he handles the debate with class. he was a great debater. he presented his facts and stayed on key even though joe biden was giggling, basically chuckles the clown old-time and was very rude and condescending. the moderator did not help much either. i was not a fan of the moderator at all. tracy: what was the striking statement? what did we learn that could make a difference in the election? >> they each had something but the most important thing for this is i think that paul ryan's overall debate performance made him kind of seal the deal for the romney/ryan ticket. i don't think in actuality and people will be upset when i say this but i don't think this debate is going to determine in the polls -- i don't think you're going to see a bump. i think it will go back to next week's debate when you have the presidential debate and what obama does and how romney performs. this was full of. it is fun to talk about but i don't think it will move one iota in the polls. ashley: you agree wit
energy and more jobs, the romney ryan camp putting the keystone pipeline back in the national spotlight. we track all of our money that is going to the solar panel industry in china. and that ominous dark cloud hanging overhead, not connell, was expected to be a lousy season for quarterly earnings. some of the names in question coming up in today's trade. connell: give you a name in question. bottom of the hour let's go back the nicole in now who is not in question at all. eli lilly? nicole: highest level since 08. we're talking about an experimental alzheimer's drug which did well for eli lilly so far in the experiment. let's take a look here, up 1/2% -- up 3 1/2%. experimental drug for alzheimer's. led to 34% reduction in memory decline for patients with mild symptoms over a period of 18 months. that's a pretty good showing. that's why we saw the stock jumping. speaking of jumping, i wanted to also take a look at some names that have hit some 52 week highs today. i know some of them have pulled back and you may see some red arrows here, but you can't deny that they today hit 52 week h
for the next four years of romney/ryan in the white house. dennis: what about our vice president? what does he need to do? >> the first thing he cannot do is have a gas. team needs to get the obama campaign back on track. it is a tall order for him. he has been in the senate for a long time and vice president for four years and a senior statesman who will be on stage. i do think the pressures on him to hit a home run tonight and even saturday night live goofed on him. if you're counting on joe biden to save you the campaign is in trouble. dennis: by the same token given expectations for joe biden, can he win the debate by avoiding a gaffe? >> he is going to try to make all look like the count with a green eyeshade that isn't caring and go on the attack. the obama campaign has signaled they are going to go on the attack tonight and in the next presidential debate and if he does come across without making a mistake he will look like having a good night. dennis: the vice presidential candidates have to talk about their leader. not about themselves. yet i can't think of another debate where one of
taken after the first presidential showdown. according to the "fox news poll" the romney ryan ticket got a boost jumping three points while the obama-biden ticket dropped three. the impact of the debate seems greater among independents with that voting bloc jumping five points in support of team romney while team obama dropped 7 points. president obama's opinion stayed the same after the debate while gove romney's rose four percentage points. that gives him a one point lead. still when you factor in the margin of error it is still too close to call. how did the president and governor romney did at the debate? both are weighing in. >> well, governor romney i had a good night. i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> well, it is not the first time i've had a bad night. >> well, obviously the president wasn't happy with the response to our debate last night. >> what's your message to joe biden about tomorrow night? >> well i, you know, i think joe just needs to be joe. jon: joining us now is karl rove, former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and a fox news contr
. >> romney running mate paul ryan arrived in kentucky where he will face-off for 90 minutes with the vice president joe biden. it will be ryan's first debate on the national stage. with the race so close there is extra pressure for him to turn in a clutch performance. >> vice president biden travels to the debate site later today. he had several mock debates with the paul ryan stand-in, maryland congressman chris van holland. who has been with biden all week helping him prep, and a sign of how good he feels about his prospects, his first campaign event after the debate will be in wisconsin, right in paul ryan's back yard. martha raddatz moderates the debate and we will carry it live. >>> as for the top of the ticket, there are questions this morning about where mitt romney stands on abortion. romney said in an interview tuesday that he has no plans for abortion legislation if elected. but anti-abortion advocates reminded him of his pledge to do everything in his power to promote a culture of life. and so on the stump in ohio, romney reaffirmed that he is indeed pro-life. in an interview w
'll track it all morning for you. >>> with the second presidential debate just a few days away, mitt romney and paul ryan zero in on the key battleground state of ohio. >>> in pakistan, three more suspects are under arrest in connection with the shooting of a teen activist. >>> we begin this hour in colorado where there is a manhunt right now for the killer of a 10-year-old girl. police say they have found the body of jessica ridgeway. she was reported missing one week ago. jessica was last seen leaving for school. >> with a great deal of sorrow in my heart, i regret to inform you that the body that was found has been positively identified as jessica ridgeway, the missing girl from westminster. the family has been notified. we can't begin to comprehend the grief that they're going through. >> it's hard to imagine why someone would want to do this to such a nice little girl. >> we need to find them. >> an fbi spokesperson says they will not rest until jessica's killer is caught. meanti meantime, the community will come together for a balloon release to celebrate her life. >>> in pakistan, th
plans? the report is ryan launched in romney's five-point plan but "he again did not get in the loopholes the plan would close or eductions they would eliminate to get to the 20% tax cut, his ticket promised." obama campaign pounced. ryan can't attend his own campaign rally without being called out for failing to provide specifics about what romney would do if elected. morrisson did not ask about the tax loopholes and was shocked to learn the obama administration seized on her question. she went home, she later wrote, satisfied with the exchange with ryan. "i was not calling ryan out. i had an opportunity to ask a direct question to ryan and what i got was a complete direct answer with no spin." she now wants specific on president obama economic plan. romney aid accusing cnn of taking the governor comments out of middle east out of context. cnn put words in today's romney speech on foreign policy where he pledges to recommit the u.s. to democratic prosperous palestinian debate. juxtapose against clip where they say palestinians have no interest in peace. they say they lef
. >> please, go right ahead. bill: romney, and obama go next week. but thursday night is ryan and biden. now, i don't know. this could be a cage match, tanteros. i mean, biden taken six days of the trail. he is in some undisclosed location east of the chesapeake bay. what is your expectation for thursday night? >> they have him muzzled like hannibal lecter with the mask on so he doesn't say anything silly. this will be bigger heated debate than three of us have every tuesday. pressure is on. unlike what bob is saying on this point, you heard him on "the five" debates don't matter. debates don't matter. he has been wrong. they will look to thursday night interested to see ryan will do. he is untested. bill: yes. >> he is so disciplined, bill. even though they will try to tie ryan i believe and romney together as much much as they can the ryan plan, ryan is such expert explaining it. that's what romney did so well last week. he explained his positions finally, so well when you're presented with facts all the obama campaign is left to do is just throw mud and call him a liar. >> facts. are you
believe and romney together as much much as they can the ryan plan, ryan is su expert explaining it. that's what romney did so well last week. he explained his positions finally, so well when you're presented with facts all the obama campaign is left to do is just throw mud and call him a liar. >> facts. are you kidding? first of all when ryan is disciplined, talks some minute next sales plummet. hear is the point. obama didn't go after romney on facts. what is your tax deductions you're talking about. he didn't say because he won't have any. biden will go after ryan their policy gay and get down to it. this will be like a cage match. biden will beat this guy like an empty drum. ryan is looking more like howdy doody every day. >> if romney was lying, rye romney lying so much why didn't the pet call him out. >> that is the point, andrea and he didn't. >> he couldn't. he couldn't argue facts. >> 9:00 a.m. on the 9th of october. roll this tape back on friday morning. >> we should do that. i just can't wait. >> by the way bob has been so grumpy lately, bill. >> i'm not grumpy at all. just bec
romney and paul ryan crisscrossing the important buckeye state that has chosen the past 12 presidents. will ohio though, buy the message they're selling? take a closer look. >> clayton: plus, this isn't something you see every day. police respond after more than 400 skate boarders take over hollywood boulevard. find out what they were protesting next. "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ >> good sunday morning, everybody, not so much for the new york yankees. we'll tell you why in just a bit. not just a loss on the field, alisyn, a loss of historic proportions for them in terms of the leader, the the heart and soul of that have franchise for the last decade. >> alisyn: i can't wait to here that wow. >> clayton: and meanwhile, we've been following of course the investigation or the lack of investigation into the benghazi attack in libya, the terrorist attack and of course, now an investigation launched and announced on friday evening, and last night the mother of slain state department official sean smith on fox news channel speaking to judge janine pirro about this and the lack of i
said, joe biden will sell barack obama, but paul ryan has to sell mitt romney. you can't really sell paul ryan, right? so he has to -- it's going to be interesting to see how well he does that. i think we agree that joe biden will do his job, will go in and will explain all those crucial moments of the obama presidency and how things worked out and what a great guy he is. >> so joe biden, i agree will do his job. joe, do you think that paul ryan will be allowed to do his job? because i think the problem has been that from the moment he was chosen, they then were hiding his signature elements. >> well, paul ryan's not the president. and i think mitt romney said it clearly, i'm the president, paul ryan -- >> so he won't be allowed to do his job? >> no more than somebody you hire as a production assistant is going to tell you what to say on the air. >> well, i will say, he sounds really almost -- he chose his youth when he said mitt romney is the president, and therefore i believe. >> who is he? why was he chosen? because he has incredible, brave ideas. >> hold on. so -- >> at a time wh
they can elect you. >> steve: is calling mitt romney and ryan a good strategy. here to weigh in is washington insider amelia and democrat pollster marjorie. good morning to both of you. >> margey. it does sound like according to the new york times, 10 minutes before the end of the debate they were on a conference call talking about he stunk up the place. we'll have to go full steam ahead on a new attack and that is going to be romney is a liar. >> any time you hear mitt romney express different position than the day before it is for voters to know. we would be talking about mitt romney's loose interpretation of the facts regardless of what the people thought of the pet's performance. his own campaign walked back what romney said about covering people with preexisting conditions in the healthcare plan. >> marjorie wasn't the president lying when he repeatedly said mitt romney would raise taxes five trillion dollars. it will not be near five trillion wasn't that a lie. >> no it is not a lie because romney will not talk about the loop holes. he refuses to walk through the math.
and get congressman ryan to commit to positions that may be antithetical opposite to what mitt romney is saying? is he going to try to paint romney with what ryan says at this debate, on medicare, medicaid and on issues like at that? >> absolutely. what he's-- what i'm sure he'll say as well. now romney is talking a moderate game and let's look what you proposed two years ago or four years ago, for instance, ryan's plan, he also took 716 billion dollars out of medicare, and one of the main attack points na romney is making against obama and romney would put that 716 billion dollars back. but, you can be sure that biden is going to say, well in your own budget you were taking the 716 out. so he's going to try to paint, you're exactly right, peter, paint romney with some of ryan's positions not to say they were extreme, but more conservative and more hide line. >> chris, tell us what's coming up on your show today. >> we will have our own debate, alisyn. we are going to have two interesting figures, martin o'mally the governor of maryland and a lot of people think win or lose for obama,
as mitt romney. it's really on medicare especially, it's the ryan policies that obama is running against. and then lastly, i think what ryan and biden are defined by in a lot of ways and for biden, that's partially hit his gaffes. is he going to step in it? is there going to be some memorable sound bite from that debate? and ryan is known as the numbers guy. and the whole obama campaign now against romney and ryan is that the numbers on the republican side don't add up. so i think there's going to be pressure on ryan to explain the numbers or at least the obama folks are going to try and pressure ryan to explain the numbers. so these things usually don't matter. it's the undercard. but this time i think there could be a little more importance. >> i think you're exactly right. biden's actually a very good debater. he was very good during the democratic debates in '08. he beat barack obama every time. he is good in the debates, but boy, he can't afford to have an off night, can he? >> no. >> i mean, you talk about feeding into a narrative. i actually think paul ryan can break even and he'l
to take responsibility for their own lives. >> they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. >> reporter: ryan said the obama administration has failed the middle class. >> we're going in the wrong direction. look at where we are. the economy is barely limping along. >> reporter: side by side at the same table, biden and ryan were not shy about directly engaging each other, sometimes with harsh attacks, sometimes with humor. >> i think the vice president very well knows that some times the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. >> reporter: with the polls tightening, the president needs to fire up his base while mitt romney needs to convert 2008 obama voters. last night in kentucky, they got a lot of help from their running mates. rob, paula. back to you. >> thank you, karen. as karen alluded to -- polls are tight. dead heat in virginia. obama up one in florida. doing well in ohio up by six. in colorado, romney is ahead by a point now. virginia is still tight. obama is up by five there. wiscons
know the campaign was feeling really good about it, feeling like paul ryan has hut romney there and you have a poll like this. the only thing i can say about people moving around so much is they're obviously not happy for obama and they're looking for an all thalternative. what happened was an alternative showed up at the debate and had to meet a certain threshold to say okay, this guy actually, yeah, he could be president, and so what has to happen in the next debate is obama has to convince people that a, no, he's not ready to be president, and b, you've gotta stay with me because we're on the right track, we're moving in the right direction. you don't want to change courses mid stream. > >> shannon: a much tighter race in ohio where the averages are going in favor of the president. of course, that's a key state for anybody who wants to get to the white house. do you think that romney has a chance to break through there because the latest poll out that the obama campaign is citing gives a 5-point edge and it's sometimes an outlier and leans left. they're touting it this morning saying
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